A “Holocaust” historian and former Israeli kibbutznik, "Professor David Cesarani, floated the idea of there being a Tiananmen Square-style massacre in Egypt as a way of quelling potential post-Mubarak anarchy.
"And there has been no outrage. No Twitterstorm, no blog-based apoplexy, no heated radio phone-ins. Perhaps talking about the massacre of Egyptians is normal these days.
"Professor Cesarani was asked by Michael Portillo about the 'moral dilemma' of how to deal with what comes after Mubarak. What if it’s worse than Mubarak? Should it be crushed?
"Professor Cesarani said that if one takes the 'wholly pragmatic view,’ then 'the outcome of a Tiananmen Square-style crackdown is desirable and is predictable.' Because, he said, 'if you allow this popular democratic movement to run on unchecked, you cannot predict what’s going to happen. But you can predict probably that after a short, sharp, massive clampdown at huge human cost, there will be a sullen stability.'
"Portillo was startled. 'Quite a lot of people would be quite shocked to hear what you said – that a Tiananmen-style outcome would be desirable.'
"Cesarani responded that, ‘The West is no longer weeping that much over Tiananmen Square because we’re doing a lot of business with China. So, many business interests would say, quietly, that, perhaps, well the way in which the Chinese managed their transition was preferable.’
"Another panellist, Matthew Taylor, former adviser to Tony Blair and now chief executive of the Royal Society of Arts, later described Cesarani’s comments on Tiananmen Square as 'incredibly brave' and said: 'In a way, I can see his argument.”
David Cesarani is professor of history at Royal Holloway, University of London, England. He advised the British government office responsible for “Holocaust" memorial day and was a member of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office delegation to the Intergovernmental Taskforce for "International Cooperation on Holocaust Education, Remembrance and Research.” He is the editor of The Final Solution: Origins and Implementation (1994) and Bystanders to the Holocaust: A Re-evaluation (2002) and the author of Justice Delayed: How Britain Became a Refuge for Nazi War Criminals (1992).
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One should keep in mind that David Cesarani is a full fledged member of the UK zionist lobby - those who justify any crime against humanity to "protect" zionist tribal racism in Israel.
As such one has to ask why he is being "invited" to give "advice" to anyone. His loyalty to the UK is suspicious and he represents a group that tries very hard to get western democracies to commit crimes of types that parallel zionist crimes (so as to "justify" the zionist crimes).
Thank you Michael..
Typical, and expected from a Zionist mind set.
But wait and see what GOD's ways are...
The more one seeks for a way to believe that it can't be as one sees it, the more evidence like this surfaces every day. The more one wants to believe they have plumbed the depths of outrage and cynical detachment, the more one encounters levels below them.
Judgment is coming with a big stick.
You can see that the elites feel human life is now meaningless and worthless, this is why there has to be rebellion because the Elites are fomenting rebellion so that the military can go in murder people enmasse.
Israel is an illegal state, filled with people who condone murder. The blind lead the blind and they all go into the pit.
When people say bring on the slaughter, it is they themselves who will suffer most through it.
This discussion is available on the
BBC radio 4 'Moral Maze' programme from 2/2/11.
I have become extremely upset after reading this post. How can a human being say something like that. Is it always "the end justifies the means" regardless of what the cost will be.
What're those Jews made of? Is it pure evil?!
To Aadel M Al-Mahdy
Let us refrain from generalities, in particular the grievous error of ascribing “pure evil” to Judaic persons generally. This is what Caesarani seems to be doing to Egyptians in the streets. God forbid that in opposing Prof. Caesarani we should become like him.
I do not like generalization either because it leads to a wrong conclusion. But when most of the time, almost all the time, hear and read that Jews said this, did that, one tend in his anger to generalize. Is it a human trait? I do not really know.
I know there are exceptions like Dr, Norman Fenklestein, Noam chomsky, Gliad Atzmond, Shalomo Sandand many other young Jews even in Israel itself, but excuse me if my anger has overtaken me due to the gravity of what that professor said.
Here's a guy who calls Zionist lobbying nothing but standard lobbying without ever going into what these rich Zionists do to muzzle critics as opposed to engaging them in debate. So, Israel deems itself as FACING A HOLOCAUST (why it should is a total mystery except that its fear that the 70% of World Jewry, Diaspora Jews, are getting kind if sick of Zionism, privately. To them, Israel is a nice place to visit but NOT to live.
That's why Israel will never make peace....peace would be seen as finally freedom for Jews to divorce Israel, in Likudnik eyes. Yet, Zionists want just enough peace so the cost of "existential threat" to peace leaves them with a profit. Egypt was central to that. So long as Arabs remains ruled by crooks, Israel's "exdistential threat" cash cow is fully milkable. Yet, there's a youthful wave among this majority of Arabs for secular modernization. That means Arabs that become as educated and as liberated as Israelis.
Israel could lead this process as its sci/tech universities are the best in the world and its own youth is bleeding into the West for careers. They could go next door to lead their Arab cousins into modernization and come home for Shabbat, but the current shyster class leading Israel fears the loss of Israel's Holocaustean "existential threat" as loss of its top cash cow. So indeed, crushing the young Arab modernists and imposing the Arab fellow shysters of those running Israel is the ideal.
Bending over (and squatting for easy access) Obama can be expected to obey and secretly support Mubarak. But the real choice is Jihad or Modernism and Israel is killing America, the hen that lays golden eggs, making it behave as Israel's mad dog on an Israeli chain.
All this Tunisia-->Egypt and beyond proves that Arabs are no longer the simple aborigines Israelis like to crush while driving their American war toys. Netanyahu, the first Israeli leader to think of a modernization compact between Israelis and Arabs, has now been put down by his cabinet and is calling for the same Zionist expansionism as they. For that he needs Arab soldiers to be shoeless illiterates as in 1967, for anything more than that would wipe the chutzpah off the IDF's face. So, they go for keeping the old crooked potentates in power as the Arab modernist youth would be, in Israel's eyes, a biiiiiiig "existential threat."
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