tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post418691848300088612..comments2024-03-21T17:13:34.747-07:00Comments on On the Contrary: Should We Honor Thanksgiving and the Pilgrims in 2021?Michael Hoffmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09485741729327325322noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-54459195808151733202021-11-29T12:15:14.617-08:002021-11-29T12:15:14.617-08:00With regard to the comment about the embarrassment...With regard to the comment about the embarrassment of current Jesuits with regard to the North American martyrs and the book Death and Afterlife, I would suggest that Frybread read the book review in America Magazine, a Jesuit publication not known for its defense of the traditional Catholicism. https://www.americamagazine.org/death-and-afterlife-north-american-martyrs. The review is more critical of the anachronistic views of the author rather than the motivation and actions of the martyred Jesuits.<br /><br />Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-8758955172588638382021-11-28T21:36:57.858-08:002021-11-28T21:36:57.858-08:00To Michael Hoffman and Frybread
Some reading on n...To Michael Hoffman and Frybread <br />Some reading on native culture<br />https://www.persee.fr/doc/jsa_0037-9174_1931_num_23_1_1088Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05995185154782928965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-58798529278847044242021-11-27T04:44:23.841-08:002021-11-27T04:44:23.841-08:00Thanks for the historical balance!Thanks for the historical balance!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-56764463068417510132021-11-26T04:34:57.239-08:002021-11-26T04:34:57.239-08:00So I guess fry bread what Mickey means is that he’...So I guess fry bread what Mickey means is that he’s going to block any more of your comments as he is known to do when someone says something true that he disagrees with and doesn’t want others to know. The censored becomes the censorer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-5026262927970522752021-11-25T20:28:36.760-08:002021-11-25T20:28:36.760-08:00Unfortunately genocide has been the historical nor...Unfortunately genocide has been the historical norm and not an aberration among people of all races and religions. It has been estimated that Genghis Khan's army's and scions wiped out 5 percent of the world's population during the 200 years of Mongol imperialism. Muslim Arab imperialism, by no mean monolithic, enslaved 20 million East Africans, 3 million Russian and Slavic people's (the Crimean Khanate), millions of Turkic people from Central Asia, and massacred millions of Hindus on the subcontinent. I do not love any of my Muslim friends any less because of this, and I am sure they are equally abhorred of this as I am. An interesting article and debate. Finally something worth reading and commenting on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-10651842790069418042021-11-25T11:34:45.498-08:002021-11-25T11:34:45.498-08:00Fleeing the European royals and their actual physi...Fleeing the European royals and their actual physical consumption of various pieces of human anatomy was reason enough to flee Europe. Unfortunately, These same European royals filled ships with the dregs of European civilization and sent them to The New World too. One look at the Bush/Clinton/Obama/Creepy Joe, et al cabal shows we have been lax in cleaning up that mess. We owe Native Americans and each other to NOT allow such influence, which starts with ENDING the CFR and Pilgrims Society and their programming of corporate news services.HTLIIIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00347385196105054922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-5664270158688439112021-11-25T09:41:13.331-08:002021-11-25T09:41:13.331-08:00The more they are denigrated, the more I study the...The more they are denigrated, the more I study them and the more I revere my Mayflower grandfathers.qtfacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10497939244970172264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-39429494186486643552021-11-25T08:08:03.664-08:002021-11-25T08:08:03.664-08:00The vast difference in Indian vs Indian & Euro...The vast difference in Indian vs Indian & European vs Indian is that Europeans absolutely wiped out all native culture across the world & whites caused a mass extinction of animals (e.g. passenger pigeon, cod, bison for a few obvious examples). Haven't you followed the stories of the residential school system, with government/Catholic nuns/Protestants working hand in hand in removing children from their parents, abusing thousands, and burying them in unmarked graves? Have you read "Death & Afterlife..." by Anderson regarding the legacy of the North American Martyrs? Even the Jesuits are embarrassed of previous Jesuits. Is everyone just "woke" but a handful of truthtellers like yourself? You're not appealing to research or giving good argumentation, it's just baseless accusations & heresy hunting.<br /><br />Today all indigenous people are largely extinct, as they've lost their traditional hunting grounds, myths, and language. The version of "Christianity" Europeans brought over was a highly distorted and false view & was a product of the genocides & wars of the high/late middle ages. Christianity had long ago (4th century) become something else entirely, especially in their absolute detachment from nature & "heresy hunting" as a core dogma. The falling away didn't really happen in the Renaissance; it more happened in the 4th century when the real "money power" took over (see: Peter Brown's 'Through The Eye of a Needle'), with men such as Augustine/Constantine/Ambrose. This is why Europeans (some like Roger Williams excepted - see 'Roger Williams' by Barry) had to kill all the natives; they couldn't stand a people who had any view that didn't fit the European narrative.<br /><br />I referenced "Beyond Geography" because it has a great number of sources, such as the "captivity narratives" where it shows that not a single white person captured by natives ever wanted to return to Christian society, whereas Indians who saw white culture never wanted to stay with whites.<br /><br />Most of the Indian "converts" to Christianity didn't happen or weren't conversion as you say. They saw the Eucharist (I'm speaking of the Coeur d'Alene people) as a magic charm that could help them in battle (see: Sacred Heart Mission museum displays). They never abandoned their previous beliefs. Most of the baptisms described, were largely fabrications & never occurred. The story of Sitting Bull's baptism by De Smet was a lie (ref: Sitting Bull by Stanley Vestal, p. 109).<br /><br />As an aside, your "Occult Renaissance" book leaves out the much earlier syncretism that occurred w/ Plotinus & Pseudo Dionysius (not to mention the vast army of forgerers in the Church of Rome in the 2nd-3rd centuries). To pretend like it all started with the Hermetica in the Renaissance is laughably bad. Also, the Dominicans & Franciscans (including your favorite Anthony of Padua) were part of the genocide to wipe out the "Cathars"; he was known as the "hammer of heretics" & he was part of the Innocent III & Innocent IIII death/torture machine. This is a version of Christianity you support?frybreadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-59128637699022089172021-11-25T07:18:49.633-08:002021-11-25T07:18:49.633-08:00Unknown wrote:
"South Africa, North America ...Unknown wrote:<br /><br />"South Africa, North America and Australia were all settled using the same format."<br /><br />In other words, these nations and continents were not "settled" prior to the arrival of Europeans Everything was peachy keen for centuries, and then the pale faces showed up and ruined utopia?<br /><br />It's unfortunate that this risible Leftist cartoon has gained such a monopoly over analysis and discourse that something so bereft of reality is believed by masses of people.<br /><br />Before whites arrived, South Africa, North America and Australia were settled by cannibals, slavers and mass murderers.<br /><br />Oppression, exploitation and genocide are not unique to the Caucasian race, despite the frenetic efforts of the "woke" to convince you otherwise.<br /><br />Michael Hoffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09485741729327325322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-51524892772798715682021-11-24T21:57:47.215-08:002021-11-24T21:57:47.215-08:00I'm sure the first 2 minutes of this vid is al...I'm sure the first 2 minutes of this vid is all that is needed to show how South Africa, North America and Australia were all settled using the same format. Exterminate the locals, import your own slaves, when their numbers grow too large, import another group to run all the businesses so the locals remain in slavery.<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdmZDHVYRoA&t=55s<br />South African History Documentary: 1652-1902Wayne Gablerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07573485843437183136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-19792429441317291652021-11-24T16:09:05.731-08:002021-11-24T16:09:05.731-08:00Dear Frybread
You wrote: "There's a vas...Dear Frybread <br /><br />You wrote: "There's a vast difference in Indian vs Indian violence (which always existed and nobody has ever denied) vs the outright genocide."<br /><br />Pray tell, what would that "vast difference" be?<br /><br />You claim to "demolish" revisionist narratives by means of citing one source book and making one allusion to the Dawes Act.<br /><br />On the contrary, "Indian vs. Indian violence" was in some cases genocide -- attempts to exterminate tribes such as the Flathead and the Huron on the part of the Blackfeet and Iroquois. There are many other examples. Your minimizing this holocaust by derogating it into a category of mere "violence," and then affixing the "genocide" label solely on European Americans, will not stand up to scrutiny.<br /><br />The rest of your note consists in name-calling and mockery, including gratuitously insulting Fr. DeSmet.<br /><br />In my opinion, the local Spokane, Coeur d'Alene and New Perce tribes in the Pacific Northwest where this writer resides, exhibited some worthy, natural law virtues and generally responded well to Christian evangelism. <br /><br />There is no doubt however, that they were exploited and cheated by certain unscrupulous persons and the government, but the simplistic enormities you put forth are unsustainable in light of the documentary record.Michael Hoffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09485741729327325322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-74667027336332723332021-11-24T11:21:40.325-08:002021-11-24T11:21:40.325-08:00Your blog post is going to age very poorly. Have y...Your blog post is going to age very poorly. Have you read the 1980 book "Beyond Geography?" There's a vast difference in Indian vs Indian violence (which always existed and nobody has ever denied) vs the outright genocide of the Dawes Act & complete destruction of nature (including the now dead Lake Coeur d'Alene) in the 19th century. The difference in degree is absolutely vast. These kind of "appeals to antiquity" in order to diminish meaningful differences no longer work. This isn't "wokeness" but is scholarship over the previous 30 years that has utterly demolished these "revisionist" narratives that people like you still like to portray. You seem to call anything "woke" that doesn't agree with your own personal narrative, it's just like calling everything "heresy" no matter what the person says.<br /><br />I'd suggest you take a trip to your local library (Molstead at NIC) to learn about the wildly misguided Jesuit De Smet convincing Sitting Bull & The Coeur d'Alene people to accept the reservation system (De Smet was evil, even if just a useful idiot), ultimately leading to allotments, and finally to the "fry bread" culture & utter destruction you see on the Coeur d'Alene reservation today. The Coeur d'Alene people still exist, but it's mostly in blood & name only, as their language & way of life is now basically just like every other American.<br /><br />To defend such a commercialized and idiotic "holiday" as Thanksgiving is laughable. The quality of food & disgusting factory farming practices should be enough to avoid the holiday. The genocidal mindset of industrial Europeans coming to America should be the real reason to avoid the holiday.fry breadnoreply@blogger.com