tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post302405109722933052..comments2024-03-21T17:13:34.747-07:00Comments on On the Contrary: "Vicar of Christ on Earth" asks "Who am I to judge a gay priest?"Michael Hoffmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09485741729327325322noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-86485992510740825092013-08-05T22:43:27.384-07:002013-08-05T22:43:27.384-07:00Umm bsg201 I'm sorry, but I respectfully disag...Umm bsg201 I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your theology i.e. the Church of God was founded "on Peter and his successors" and the RCC is the "only means of salvation." IMO Christ-followers are defined not by their nominal affiliation to a man-made institution (or cult!) but by their Christ-like words and deeds reflecting they are spiritually connected to the Body of Christ by His Holy Spirit (Rm 8:1). The Lord Jesus Christ is the ONLY means of salvation not anyone or anything else (Jn 17:3; 1Tim 2:5). BTW the Church was established on Christ who is the "chief cornerstone" not Peter (1 Cor 10:4; Eph 2:20) otherwise we'd be called Peterites not Christians and the Church would be the Body of Peter not the Bidy of Christ. Just my 0.02c.Nathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-84332360579524500302013-08-03T06:22:56.228-07:002013-08-03T06:22:56.228-07:00Christ said we cannot judge, and only Christ can j...Christ said we cannot judge, and only Christ can judge a Pope. A pope's judgement will be more severe than most due to the responsibility he has. However, none of this changes Matt 16:19. Christ instituted the Church on Peter and his successors and promised Peter that He would be with him always - and that the gates of hell will not prevail. Therefore, all these catholics who flee the church to join protestant churches are making a grave error. Christ's promise still stands, hell will not prevail. Only Peter has the keys - therefore if Francis speaks fallibly from a plane, and makes a serious error regarding his binding and loosing authority to be able to judge homosexuals, this is for us as catholics to obviously be on guard against - but it is not binding on us to believe. Francis was speaking fallibly. Any pope can get it wrong badly just like any other man. His statements do not change or alter infallible teachings from our church on homosexuality. Yes it is depressing seeing Peter's successor being so damagingly vague but that doesn't change a thing - The Catholic Church is the new ark and the only means of salvation, otherwise Christ's promise in Matt makes no sense. No doubt satan loves the turmoil in our church -but I can guarantee you that he loves far more people leaving the Body of Christ on earth (the church) and joining a heretical protestant church that has no authority to exist, has no sacraments, never prays to the Blessed Mother, and stubbornly refuses to acknowledge Christ's leader on earth - however fallible he may be as a human (Just as Peter was fallible, denying our Lord three times!) surely far worse than Francis' words? maybe not, who knows. I commend Michael's superb dissection of the diabolical doublespeak at work, but once again Christ's promise is eternal - and the Church will still stand in the last days. The Church being the Body of Christ on earth is clearly enduring it's own passion, but we must stand firm and instead of judging the pope, we must pray for him - as Christ is still with him so we should stand with him also. ''Thou art Peter, and on this rock I build my Church''.bsg201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-88004422376931997002013-08-01T06:00:37.777-07:002013-08-01T06:00:37.777-07:00Right you are Michael! And the analogy to Nazism v...Right you are Michael! And the analogy to Nazism very apt! Interestingly note that the pope asks, "who am I to judge?" Judge what pray tell? Sinners or their sinful acts? A very well constructed response worthy of a silver-tongued politician IMO. Then again wasn't it the Jesuits who devised the doctrine of mental equivocation?!Nathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-66799284777251980322013-07-31T16:11:47.566-07:002013-07-31T16:11:47.566-07:00I did mean "have not clarified" and &qu...I did mean "have not clarified" and "DW Journal" Berlin. <br />p.s. If I appear a leftist, I'm not. Nor a Neo- anything.alynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-88424163485884613022013-07-31T10:20:32.085-07:002013-07-31T10:20:32.085-07:00"we are contending for the purity of our chil..."we are contending for the purity of our children against a ravening wolf in sheep's --or in this case, St Peter's -- clothing."<br /><br />Ah yes, Saint Peter, who was married by the way . . . to a woman. The deviations in Christ's Church stretch back to the late 4th century.John Maelstromhttp://www.thenobleinitiative.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-68606275647150581482013-07-31T01:11:35.278-07:002013-07-31T01:11:35.278-07:00Jgalindes, Thank you for this.I've been able t...Jgalindes, Thank you for this.I've been able to fully clarify what exactly the Pope did say. Network news are so deceptive and of course all over the internet it's horror. Isaw clips of Francis on the plane responding to the press,BBC America, WD Journal Berlin and Democracy Now PBS. Democracy Now showed a clip somewhat longer ad just by doing this showed a seemingly more honest context. I am waiting for clarification from the Vatican. It is most necessary. <br />And to Israel, I shudder again.alynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-3396908115202495472013-07-30T11:33:39.259-07:002013-07-30T11:33:39.259-07:00Dear Michael,let me clarify that Pope's statem...Dear Michael,let me clarify that Pope's statement was with regards to any person not to a priest and yes he used the word GAY.<br /><br />Obviously the Jewish NY Times (online), July 29, 2013,"Pope Says He Will Not Judge Gay Priests" article heading is wrong ,I didn't hear him referring specifically to PRIESTS in that particular declaration.The wording used in Italian sounded to me more or less like this:<br /><br />“Se una persona è gay e cerca il Signore e ha buona volontà, chi sono io per giudicarla?”.<br />Adding:<br /><br />"Si scrive tanto sulla lobby gay nella Santa Sede - ha aggiunto - ma ancora non ho una cartella con le identità di chi ne farebbe parte". La Chiesa cattolica "insegna che le persone gay non si devono discriminare, ma si devono accogliere. Il problema non è avere questa tendenza, il problema è fare lobby".<br /><br />Anyway we all know that sodomy is an abobination to GOD and nothing changes Pope's heterodoxy.<br /><br />Far worse is his apparent drive towards a mega ecumenical church and here I can see the hands of Rabbi Abrham Skorka,his most beloved argentinean jewish friend with whom he wrote "Abobe heaven and earth" back in 2010 (good to read to discover how he really thinks).<br /><br />I believe he shortly will visit Israel and knowing that he is a ferosious supporter of the jewish entity I'm affraid the results of such a move. <br /><br /> jgalindesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-46381348740006742582013-07-30T00:29:27.763-07:002013-07-30T00:29:27.763-07:00When their day of reckoning comes so many will kno...When their day of reckoning comes so many will know for certain that it had been better that they had long since had millstone about their necks. They would have possibly had a chance for mercy.alynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-62599442834173311762013-07-29T19:46:44.813-07:002013-07-29T19:46:44.813-07:00Indeed, it didn't start with Vatican II. And i...Indeed, it didn't start with Vatican II. And it hasn't yet reached the depths of open, shameless depravity of the Renaissance when the bankers themselves emerged from papal conclaves; when the banker Pope Leo X knighted the painter who called himself Il Sodoma, etc., etc., etc.<br /><br />Maurice Pinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12398411396371959771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-84901292227126664042013-07-29T12:49:38.208-07:002013-07-29T12:49:38.208-07:00Your block quote gave me a belly laugh. It is was ...Your block quote gave me a belly laugh. It is was both entertaining and true.<br /><br />BravoIFAhttp://www.iranianforaryans.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21240636.post-73334891484259346742013-07-29T12:43:50.426-07:002013-07-29T12:43:50.426-07:00Michael,
Was it not Christ who stated "he wh...Michael,<br /><br />Was it not Christ who stated <i>"he who hath not sinned cast the first stone"</i>? Should we therefore NOT judge lest we be judged ourselves?<br /><br />I do not condone homosexuality, however I do see that cities in society are not only the landing pads for mass immigration to destroy indigenous way of life, but also the growing pools of homosexual behaviour. Therefore I believe that unnatural environments (cities) will promote unnatural behaviour (LGBT) and therefore it is this that has to be addressed before anything else.<br /><br />The pope is a shill, along with the rest of the zealots in the Vatican. Roman Catholic priests have been buggering young boys for thousands of years. So taking a stance against homosexuality holds no water. No moral high ground can be taken. Sadly, thanks to vaccination and chemical poisoning of our food and water supply, the feminisation of the male is complete. I don't think you can turn back the unnatural tampering of nature.<br /><br />thank you<br /><br />Mark Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com