Talmudic mob in Jerusalem: they spit on the Cross and they spit on women
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Reporter feels mob's hate in the Holy City
By Anne Barker
'Humiliated and degraded': ABC Middle East correspondent Anne Barker
As a journalist I've covered more than my share of protests. Political protests in Canberra (Australia). Unions protesting for better conditions. Angry, loud protests against governments, or against perceived abuses of human rights.
I've been at violent rallies in East Timor. I've had rocks and metal darts thrown my way. I've come up against riot police.
But I have to admit no protest - indeed no story in my career - has distressed me in the way I was distressed at a protest in Jerusalem on Saturday (July 4) involving several hundred ultra-Orthodox Jews. This particular protest has been going on for weeks.
Orthodox Jews are angry at the local council's decision to open a municipal carpark on Saturdays - or Shabbat, the day of rest for Jews.
It's a day when Jews are not supposed to do anything resembling work, which can include something as simple as flicking a switch, turning on a light or driving.
So even opening a simple carpark to accommodate the increasing number of tourists visiting Jerusalem's Old City is highly offensive to Orthodox Jews because it's seen as a desecration of the Shabbat, by encouraging people to drive.
I was aware that earlier protests had erupted into violence on previous weekends - Orthodox Jews throwing rocks at police, or setting rubbish bins alight, even throwing dirty diapers or rotting rubbish at anyone they perceive to be desecrating the Shabbat.
But I never expected their anger would be directed at me.
I was mindful I would need to dress conservatively and keep out of harm's way. But I made my mistake when I parked the car and started walking towards the protest, not fully sure which street was which. By the time I realised I'd come up the wrong street it was too late.
I suddenly found myself in the thick of the protest - in the midst of hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews in their long coats and sable-fur hats. They might be supremely religious, but their behavior - to me - was far from charitable or benevolent.
As the protest became noisier and the crowd began yelling, I took my recorder and microphone out of my bag to record the sound. Suddenly the crowd turned on me, screaming in my face. Dozens of angry men began spitting on me.
Spit like rain
I found myself herded against a brick wall as they kept on spitting - on my face, my hair, my clothes, my arms.
It was like rain, coming at me from all directions - hitting my recorder, my bag, my shoes, even my glasses.
Big gobs of spit landed on me like heavy raindrops. I could even smell it as it fell on my face.
Somewhere behind me - I didn't see him - a man on a stairway either kicked me in the head or knocked something heavy against me.
I wasn't even sure why the mob was angry with me. Was it because I was a journalist? Or a woman? Because I wasn't Jewish in an Orthodox area? Was I not dressed conservatively enough?
In fact, I was later told, it was because using a tape-recorder is itself a desecration of the Shabbat even though I'm not Jewish and don't observe the Sabbath.
It was lucky that I don't speak Yiddish. At least I was spared the knowledge of whatever filth they were screaming at me.
The Holy People practice their religion of peace, love and tolerance in Jerusalem
As I tried to get away I found myself up against the line of riot police blocking the crowd from going any further.
Israeli police in their flak jackets and helmets, with rifles and shields, were yelling just as loudly back at the protesting crowd. I found them something of a reassurance against the angry, spitting mob.
I was allowed through, away from the main protest, although there were still Orthodox Jews on the other side, some of whom also yelled at me, in English, to take my recorder away.
Normally I should have stayed on the sidelines to watch the protest develop.
But when you've suffered the humiliation and degradation of being spat on so many times - and you're covered in other people's spit - it's not easy to put it to the back of your mind and get on with the job. I left down a side street and walked the long way back to the car, struggling to hold back the tears.
Israeli police in their flak jackets and helmets, with rifles and shields, were yelling just as loudly back at the protesting crowd. I found them something of a reassurance against the angry, spitting mob.
I was allowed through, away from the main protest, although there were still Orthodox Jews on the other side, some of whom also yelled at me, in English, to take my recorder away.
Normally I should have stayed on the sidelines to watch the protest develop.
But when you've suffered the humiliation and degradation of being spat on so many times - and you're covered in other people's spit - it's not easy to put it to the back of your mind and get on with the job. I left down a side street and walked the long way back to the car, struggling to hold back the tears.
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29 comments:
There is a Hebrew concept of Yahweh as a potter, taking clay and molding a new creature.
The perpetrators might otherwise be nice people.
?Did a rabbi egg the Hebrews on? Inflaming their emotions, and overriding their sense of decency with thought stopping commands.
This is an example of Hebrew religious fanaticism.
"The perpetrators might otherwise be nice people."
I wouldn't bet on it. Similar incidents, albeit on a smaller scale, happen regularly in Crown Heights (Brooklyn) and in the upstate New York community of Kiryas Joel, where large and growing numbers of wealthy Hasidim live on welfare money supplied by the stupid working-class Goyim they despise.
Something else. For a few minutes I actually believed that Anne Barker's story was posted on the ABC News website. That is, I assumed that ABC meant "American Broadcasting Company."
How naive I was! This ABC is the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. No trace of this story will ever appear in any mainstream American news outlet. As Pinch Sulzberger might put it, "It's not news that's fit to print."
Is spitting at people allowed on the shabbat?
"But when you've suffered the humiliation and degradation of being spat on so many times - and you're covered in other people's spit - it's not easy to put it to the back of your mind and get on with the job."
Welcome to the life of every Palestinian. I wonder if she'll make the connection.
Is she a 'reporter' or a blogger? Personally I believe she's nothing more than a glorified blogger. If you're going to a heavily religious area (even as a reporter) and you're not humouring their beliefs and/or customs you're going to have to put aside the "SHOCK!" when they spit on you for it.
I believe the phrase "When in Rome do as the Romans do" fits nicely here.
I must admit that incidents like this (as well as a few other issues) have colored my feelings about Israel. This turning a blind eye and allowing fanatics to bully and persecute others is unacceptable. Until the day that Israel lives up to its reputation as a democratic country with laws and puts these bozos in the pokey for assaulting women (an all too usual occurrence in Jerusalem) they won't see a penny of support from me.
This sort of behavior is shameful and does more to tear down Judaism than any "desecration" of Shabbat. Amazingly, these men do not think that criminally assaulting and terrorizing a woman is a no-no for Shabbat. And there you have the inherent immorality of fanaticism.
Shalom!
Orthodox Hewbrews instigate confrontation. This news goes unreported by the MSM. Then, when a Muslim or Christian gets fed up and retaliates, it magically becomes newsworthy.
Any JDL trolls care to offer an alternative reality?
Thought so.
Wow and these people are of faith? To be doing God's work and word? Funny, I don't recall God or Jesus or any of the profits acting in this degrading way to other children of God. Maybe I won't want to be there when the second coming happens because these people will be the first in line to have judgement placed down on them. Very sad indeed, we are to love each other as God demands us, not act like a bunch of Egyptians.
No wonder civilized people despise religious fanatics. This form of Judaism is racist garbage.
To the person who suggested she is just a glorified blogger. You are a prize idiot or just providing disinformation. If you had done some basic research instead of spouting your ignorant *opinion* you would have found she is one of the ABC's(Aust) Middle East correspondents.
http://search.abc.net.au/search/search.cgi?form=simple&num_ranks=20&collection=abcall&query=anne+barker
You mean I have to share Heaven with this bunch of uncouth whackos? I think I'll opt for the version with the 72 virgins instead.
"When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious beliefs or any other kinds of dogmas or goals,it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt." Robert M. Persig.
In 1492, Chemor, chief Rabbi of Spain, wrote to the Grand Sanhedrin, which had its seat in Constantinople, for advice, when a Spanish law threatened expulsion.2 This was the reply:
” Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great pain to hear it as yourselves.
The advice of the Grand Satraps and Rabbis is the following:
1. As for what you say that the King of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.
2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.
3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christians’ lives.
4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches. [Emphasis mine]
5. As for the many other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.
6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.
(Signed) PRINCE OF THE JEWS OF CONSTANTINOPLE.”
2. The reply is found in the sixteenth century Spanish book, La Silva Curiosa, by Julio-Iniguez de Medrano (Paris, Orry, 1608), on pages 156 and 157, with the following explanation: “This letter following was found in the archives of Toledo by the Hermit of Salamanca, (while) searching the ancient records of the kingdoms of Spain; and, as it is expressive and remarkable, I wish to write it here.” — vide, photostat facing page 80.
~ The above was quoted from Waters Flowing Eastward by Paquita de Shishmareff, pp. 73-74
You cannot drive a car on Sabbath but for some reason it is OK to kill on Sabbath: drive helicopters, tanks and navy to invade Gaza on the 27th of December which was right on the Sabbath.. And there were some very religious soldiers there. None of those nerds ever protested; loopy circus. Got mit uns !!!
They don't have to be kind or charitable; the end justifies the means.
We gentiles will never be free of these savages until we reject their old testament, new testament, koran, talmud, etc...
All of these complaints are a waste of time if you still believe their wretched unholy writ.
PS..I doubt very much that my views will be posted.
It's like those rabbis who got Hoffman's book off Amazon
Interesting. I posted this piece last week also. And it got a lot of hits, more than usual. It seems these creatures are doing their cause more harm than good. Their hubris and total idiocy in believing god is on their side is biting them on the backside.
Just filth. The spitting is a wonderful way for them to demonstrate what type of things they are. If you note, I will not say animals, beasts, etc because the only animals that do spit, llamas, etc, do it as a protective natural means of protection, not as a manifestation of inner filth.
I find it strange that Anne Barker doesn't know that the ultra orthodox Jews who spat at her are not Zionists. They are, in fact, an anti-Zionist sect that does not recognise the legitimacy of Israel.
Dear Sam
I don't know where you are getting your information but so-called "ultra" Orthodox Judaics serve in the Israeli army, live in Mea Shearim in Jerusalem (thereby enjoying the privileges of the Israeli occupation of Palestine) and often urge on the Israeli army to new heights of conquest and atrocity.
The Satmar sect officially distance themselves from the Israeli state, but unofficially, on certain occasions, support and celebrate the murder of Palestinians by Israelis.
A lot of the alleged "anti-Zionism" of the "ultra" Orthodox is highly deceptive and disinformative.
The Neturei Karta are one of the few frum Talmudic groups to genuinely oppose the Israeli state. Are you claiming that they are the ones who did the spitting?
Moreover, spitting on the Cross and Christian clerics is widespread among many Talmudists, whether denominated "Orthodox" or "ultra" Orthodox and I have been spat upon by Zionists of no apparent religious affiliation.
Cursing and defiling the Cross, Christian churches and cemeteries where gentiles are buried, is a religious injunction in Judaism, as I document in "Judaism Discovered." There is a surfeit of Zionists who follow or at least venerate Judaism, therefore these odious practices are in no way limited to supposed anti-Zionist Judaics.
Michael, I am not at all sure where you are getting your information from.
Do you know why that ulta-orthodox crowd was demonstrating? Do you know that they do not recognise the juristiction of the State of Israel? You obviously don't know that they do NOT serve in the Israeli army. Why you call anti-Zionism of the black garbed untra-Orthodox spitters as "alleged" is beyond me, since they state it often. You may have seen their representatives hob-nobbing with the President of Iran - not exactly a pro-Zionist.
Your post comes from a certain point of view. fair enough. But to say that Jews make it their business to spit upon Christian symbols is a bit thick. (Are you anti-Zionist or anti_Jewish, btw?)You write not from knowledge, but from ignorance and worse.
Unlike surrounding countries where Jews are not allowed to live, in Israel all religions are completely free to worship and to uphold their buildings of worship. Jordan, for the first 19 years of its existence did not allow Jews access to the Western Wall, after destroying the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem and expelling all its inhabitants that had been living there for a thousand years. And while you are so keen on the rights of Christians, perhaps you should glance at Saudi Arabia, where Christians aren't allowed to even build a church.
As a proclaimed expert of Judaism and Jews, you seem to be strangely lacking in elementary knowledge.
Dear Sam
I have photographs of IDF troops with peyot and beards, reading the Gemara in uniform.
Much of the Israeli media including Haaretz have commented on the presence of "ultra"-Orthodox Judaics in the Zionist military, so your pose of exasperated omniscience in this regard fails miserably.
To generalize as you do about the "ultra" Orthodox as being all anti-Zionist is too ignorant for words. It is pure chutzpah from on high. Did you ever hear of an"ultra" Orthodox group known as Chabad-Lubavitch?
Please don't insult my intelligence with your haughty pronouncements about "strangely lacking in elementary knowledge." Let's take a quick peek at your textbook deceit:
I wrote: "...spitting on the Cross and Christian clerics is widespread among many Talmudists..."
You turned this into: "...to say that Jews make it their business to spit upon Christian symbols is a bit thick."
I never said that Jews do this. I said Talmudists do it. But with the tactics of a lower East Side goniff you pull a shell-game switch and claim that I said Jews do this. I seldom use the word Jew in a modern context. I do not believe that most contemporary Talmudists are descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, i.e. Jews.
Christians and Muslims are oppressed by Israeli authorities and mosques are regularly bombed by Zionist terrorists, most recently in Gaza. In Jenin Israeli soldiers fired on the Church of the Nativity (see the book I co-wrote, "The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinians").
If you want to debate you're going to have to do better than peddling 39¢ Zionist malarkey, which is patently vacuous, despite your pretensions to passing judgment on the knowledge of others.
Michael, I take it back about your knowledge of Judaism. You obviously know a lot, since you were able to discern that soldiers with peyot and beards were reading the Gemara. Not the Mishna, not Tehilim, not a prayer book, but the Gemara. That must have been a hefty book they were holding. One volume was it?
Yes, it's true that a few ultra-Orthodox lads have joined the Israeli army. This is a good start, but the numbers are still low. Most, however, still get exemption in order to spend their time learning religious tracts.
The ones who did the spitting, though, those from Meir She'arim, refuse to be inducted. Instead, they are parasites that attack police, soldiers, passers-by(Christians, Jews - they aren't choosy) when something happens they don't agree with (such as the opening a car park on the Sabbath - which is what they were doing on the day that Anne was spat on).
And since you know so much about the different strands of Jewish sects, you should know that the Chabad-Lubavitch are NOT Zionist and say so. You should also know that they are a Hassidic sect, different from many of the spitters on that day. Different leaders, different clothes, different Weltanschauung, etc.
Yes, I did notice that you find it hard to use the word "Jew", and when I looked at your site I understood where you are coming from.
I notice that while you are an expert on Judaism, the different sects and their holy books, you have a problem with Geography. So the Church of Nativity is in Jenin, is it?
Carry on ranting, Michael. I'm sure you have an audience that believes everything you say.
Sam, I do believe you are erring here. I have articles that I have posted and/or kept the URL to, as well as cartoons, and descriptions by people of being spit upon. In one instance, a minister was in his car waiting for the lights to change. A rabbi came towards him, and as a friendly man he rolled down the window only to greet a fellow man of religion. Imagine his surprise to be spit upon! Not once, but several times. There is a withdrawn tape from YouTube of a young man who was in that part of town with some bland question he was asking of "the man on the street". Within seconds a crowd of black crows had gathered and the police had to rescue him.
There have been articles in The Jerusalem Post and Ha'aretz with headlines such as "Christians Ask Jews to stop Spitting Upon THem".
So please. Get your facts straight. And if you really need, I will dig up the links for you.
As for serving. Like Michael, I have scores of soldiers photos with those little boxes on their foreheads, many of them "special troops" trained in particularly "holy places" for tougher battle conditions. Indeed that is where I first noticed the little boxes and thought, "omg I suppose these are the major fanatic soldiers" but to be honest I have not come across that information yet. I just know they fight.
So, perhaps you are one of the new militia of Israeli cyber warriors Sam? If so, you need to get your facts in order first. Unless you are, of course, speaking to people who know zip. In that case, choose your victims with more care.
In the meantime, have a great day. Normally I do not butt into discussions between two people, but it looked as if you will just argue nonsensically for days so I got busy and nosy and stuck my big canadian nose in. I do hope I helped clarify and if you want proof of my words, as I say, let me know and I will dig up the urls etc. In my blog I have doe a piece or two on the spitting .. with links.
Dear Sam
Yes, Israeli "ultra" Orthodox soldiers (the ones whose existence you denied) have been photographed with a volume of the Gemara. Not all volumes are "hefty" by the way --Gittin, Kiddushim, and the minor tractates, for example, are slim.
You wrote: "Yes, it's true that a few ultra-Orthodox lads have joined the Israeli army."
It took you a while to get around to conceding that fact, didn't it? Quite a retreat from your previous all-knowing assertion to the contrary. You commenced your initial comments with an attempt to buffalo the goyim with the usual hasbara, and you retreat when confronted with the truth.
When you write that "Chabad-Lubavitch are NOT Zionist," you are grasping at straws to try and salvage whatever you can of your original, ridiculous notion that "ultra" Orthodox Judaics are all anti-Zionist.
If, as you state, "Chabad-Lubavitch are NOT Zionist," then the Pope is not Catholic.
Chabad-Lubavitch are rabid supporters of IDF (Israeli army) atrocities against Palestinians.
Moreover, I have in my archives video footage of them praising mass murderer Baruch Goldstein, the Brooklyn physician turned kosher butcher who slaughtered dozens of Palestinians while they prayed in Hebron. The Chabadniks call this killer a "Tzaddik."
Sam wrote: "I notice that while you are an expert on Judaism, the different sects and their holy books, you have a problem with Geography. So the Church of Nativity is in Jenin, is it?"
Concerning the Church of the Nativity, I should have written: "...in Bethlehem, while the Israeli pogrom against Jenin was taking place...."
I did state this in the book "The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinians," so this is not a case of ignorance of basic, Christmas-card geography, as you suggest, but of writing one sentence of my rejoinder in haste.
Barbara, I have never said that black-barbed goons do not spit at people, so I don't know why you are bringing this up.
I have also said that some ultra-orthodox Jews serve in the Isreali army. Very few, actually. "Scores" would be close to the mark. But you err in your view that they are trained for special operations. Usually they are given more cushy assignments, although it is possible that some do regular and difficult work in the army.
No, Barbara, I am not a militia of any kind. I don't like to see misinformation desseminated, and all I want to do is to bring some more factual information.
Sam,
I never said that ultra-orthodox Jews do not serve in the Israeli army. If you look at what I did say, you will see that I stated that the ones who do the spitting do not serve in the Israeli army. These sects are completely cut off from much of what the state offers, and that includes the army.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that the pope IS Catholic.
Whoever those sick people were who praised Baruch Goldstein, they should be ashamed of themselves. Whether they included Chabad people, I don't know, and I only make statements about what I do know. And why you relish in tarnishing whole sects and peoples due to the actions of a few is beyond me. (Actually, it isn't if one looks at your website)
Your writing things in haste is rather typical, isn't it? You see, people believe anything, so it's enough for you to write about a church in Jenin for the rest of them to spread that as "information". But displacing the Church of the Nativity is symptomatic, not "Christmas-card geography" as you so airily throw out.
I suggest that next time you wish to answer, you do so after some thought. I am prepared to wait while you collect your facts.
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2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
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3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
A copy of the Grand Sanhedrin's 1492 letter would be a pearl of great value!
Any chance of chasing down a copy?
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